Consider this when reading the news
Islam is not a religion.
It is a worldview with totalitarian domination as its goal, and with the forced subjugation of those who disagree with it as its by-product. If you do not adhere to Islam, you are dar al-Harb, potential victims of an Islamic war to force you into dar al-Islam, an all-encompassing Islamic rule.
Some adherents are more strident about it than others, but that is the essense of Islam--totalitarianism. Please keep that in mind as you peruse the news.
--Mike
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The Holy Spirit is my counselor.
armininius
I left off armininian and semi-pelagianist for Rogers. Why didn't Wkipedia mention that?
In Biblical times, speaking in tongues was a gift given to provide those that were out preaching the word of God the ability to communicate with those who spoke different languages.
I know there are many that believe in a "prayer language" version of speaking in tongues. I for one have never heard a good reasoning for how speaking in tongues in a corporate setting edifies the speaker or those listening.
God doesn't make us sacrifices animals anymore, nor does He speak through burning bushes and no one is accused of altering the scriptures.
I don't think God does things just for the heck of it... if we don't need to speak in tongues, then He is not going to provide us with that gift. I certainly believe He is capable of it, just that there is not really a need, just as now that we have the scriptures there is no need for the burning bush. It doesn't mean He can't, just that He doesn't.
bepatient said
"I certainly believe He is capable of it, just that there is not really a need, just as now that we have the scriptures there is no need for the burning bush. It doesn't mean He can't, just that He doesn't"
Your interpretation of Holy Scripture is according to what you determine the need is and God's word is adjusted accordingly.
Isn't this altering the Word?
bepatient said:
"I know there are many that believe in a "prayer language" version of speaking in tongues. I for one have never heard a good reasoning for how speaking in tongues in a corporate setting edifies the speaker or those listening."
I have! I was raised across the railrod tracks as a pentecostal and have seen and even participated in tons of abuses of what the Bible says how tongues should be operated. I fully know the error of pentecostalism.
I know the joy of having someone on one side of the sanctuary give a message in tongues and someone else interpret it. I know the encouragement and edification that poor uneducated people received under the leadership of itenerate uneducated preachers.
Nothing done shoud ever be outside of the perimiter of Holy Scripture.
A small struggling church hearing from the Holy Spirit in a supernatural way makes a poor man feel rich and an uneducated man wise. A poor farmer with the help of the Holy Spirit can know more about scripture than all the theologians on the other side of the railroad tract.
I'm on the other side of the tracts myself now and I can tell you that the uncertain sound of the many voices and trumpets concerning Bellevue and this awful mess needs some old fashion Holy Ghost intervention to knock some of these "know it all" theologians off their high horsaes!
Oh I feel the Holy Spirit comming on me now!!!
nope.
God determines what the need is, not me.
Do the scriptures tell you to come here and post? No, you rely on your own interpretation of need or on your own prompting from the Holy Spirit.
Each of us has our own personal relationship with God and the Holy Spirit, and that means that sometimes we are going to interpret things through our own filters and history. We are going to get some things wrong and maybe I am here but this is my best understanding of this issue.
Watching,
How many people from BBC do you actually know? Because trust me when I say that the bulk of the people there do not even pretend to be "know it all theologians".
I do know this is the reputation we have to many on the outside. But that doesn't make it true.
"A small struggling church hearing from the Holy Spirit in a supernatural way makes a poor man feel rich and an uneducated man wise. "
I am not really sure where in the Bible it says making us feel wise and rich is the edification we should be seeking?
Each of us has our own personal relationship with God and the Holy Spirit, and that means that sometimes we are going to interpret things through our own filters and history. We are going to get some things wrong and maybe I am here but this is my best understanding of this issue.
You are treating truth as subjective - as a matter of personal opinion. You can't reply back to me and have it both ways.
Truth is either absolute or subjective.
Either you determine the need or God does.
It can be an enormous burden separating perception from reality.
Sadly a lot of 'my' perceptions of Adrian Rogers' views are the result of his staunch and hard core supporters on NBBCOF.
God determines the need, I am saying my interpretation of that is that I don't see a need. I am perfectly willing to admit I could be wrong.
Just remember that the NBBCOF represents a small percentage of Bellevue. I loved Dr. Rogers and I am thankful for all he taught me, but I do not think he was perfect and I do not agree with every single word that came from his mouth.
Dr. Rogers often preached from the pulpit and said that the "wine" in the Bible was not fermented and was actually grape juice. I don't agree- I feel that it was actually wine (why else would it say "do not be drunk on too much wine"?) but non one accused him of "twisting" the scriptures. It all goes back to perception- if SG or RW said that they would be accused of lying and heresy.
I am not really sure where in the Bible it says making us feel wise and rich is the edification we should be seeking?
I specifically said "feel" rich and intentionally said wise. You didn't read what I said, you read what what you thought I said.
You probally don't have any idea what poor and down trodden means. The Bible is full of edification for those who don't have silver and gold but "feel" rich in treasures not of this earth. That is the reason you see downtroden people hold their head erect, proudly and the rich act and dress downtroddenly. (is that a new word)
I know plenty of people who are not "downtrodden" that are not wise. But they are not given wisdom in a moment of speaking tongues. They gain Godly wisdom through prayer and reading the scriptures. Even those that cannot see or read (but don't consider themselves downtrodden) are able to gain wisdom in this way.
Again, I admit I don't know. I am just telling you how I feel about it based on the knowledge I have. I have never seen evidence of a person that has been "changed" in a real way through speaking in tongues. If God desires for it to be revealed to me, I am sure He will do that in a way that there is no room for doubt.
but non one accused him of "twisting" the scriptures. It all goes back to perception- if SG or RW said that they would be accused of lying and heresy.
In America we have a "need" to say that wine in the Bible is grape juice (while believers in the other parts of the world have "needs" to drink wine with their meal - historically the water has been unfit to drink)
Now who has to "twist" scripture, us or them?
Now this is an "itty bitty twist" but doesn't it illustrate twisting and why no one would dare approach AR on this. If he said wine was grape juice then it was grape juice.
SG did a poor job of preaching this yesterday!
"They gain Godly wisdom through prayer and reading the scriptures. Even those that cannot see or read (but don't consider themselves downtrodden) are able to gain wisdom in this way."
The godly wisdom we need is that which provides remedies against sensual indulgences and control physical passion. Often when we refer to prayer and Bible reading as means to gain wisdom it is nothing more than ascetic observances which indeed have a shew of wisdom in will worship.
They appeal to men as indicators of superior wisdom and piety.
Now this is an "itty bitty twist" but doesn't it illustrate twisting and why no one would dare approach AR on this. If he said wine was grape juice then it was grape juice.
What's wrong with saying wine is grape juice? Isn't it?
WH:
I left off armininian and semi-pelagianist for Rogers. Why didn't Wkipedia mention that?
Rogers was neither. He preached eternal security, and that the Holy Spirit convicted sinners before repentance.
It can be an enormous burden separating perception from reality.
Sadly a lot of 'my' perceptions of Adrian Rogers' views are the result of his staunch and hard core supporters on NBBCOF.
Rogers' views are not secret. He has books, tapes, and a wealth of sermons available on the radio and online. I don't agree with everything he said, but I don't hate him for it. I'm the first to admit that you should listen to him instead of me.
I'd be hesitant to rely on the NBBCOF for an accurate opinion of anyone.
You evil, insane idiot you!!
Paris Hilton and God update:
LOS ANGELES, June 11, 2007 (AFP) - Paris Hilton believes her
jail sentence was a message from God to change her party-loving lifestyle and become a positive role model for women who look up to
her.
In her first interview since she was dramatically sent back to
prison last Friday for probation violation in a drink-driving case,
Hilton said her imprisonment has served as a life-changing wake-up
call.
Her comments were made to veteran television journalist Barbara Walters in a phone-call from the hospital facility of the Los Angeles jail where she is being held.
"I'm not the same person I was," Walters quoted Hilton as saying on her ABC television program 'The View' on Monday.
"I used to act dumb. It was an act. I am 26-years-old, and that
act is no longer cute. It is not who I am, nor do I want to be that
person for the young girls who looked up to me."
Walters said Hilton -- who was reported to be under heavy
medication amid concerns for her mental health -- sounded "tired but
totally aware of what she was saying."
Hilton has said she will not appeal the decision to send her
back to prison to serve her 45-day term.
She was controversially released after spending only three days behind bars last week, sparking a public outcry and prompting Los Angeles judge Michael Sauer to order her back to jail.
Hilton, who was dragged sobbing and wailing from court on
Friday, suggested she intends to give up her lifestyle of endless
VIP parties, red carpets and pursuing the limelight upon her
release.
"I know now that I can make a difference, that I have the power
to do that. I have been thinking that I want to do different things
when I am out of here," she said. "I have become much more
spiritual. God has given me this new chance."
Hilton's said her new-found spirituality had led her to believe
that her jail stint was meant to be.
"I feel that the purpose of my life is to be where I am," Hilton
told Walters. "My spirit or soul did not like the way I was being
seen and that is why I was sent to jail. God has released me."
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Now here's a question for your great debates....did God zap her, did she make a decision, or both? I thought it was a ploy for early release(found God defense)but now she's talking the talk while in prison. WHO CARES as long as she has come to a place where she can see The Light in Hollywood where The Light is scarce.
Another interesting note when she was sent back to jail, her mother was quoted as saying "it's in God's hands now".
I guess the test will be what type of soil is Paris? Will she hold tight to her faith? She didn't say the magic word "Jesus" in the piece of interview. Many would consider her a fake maybe because she only said "God". We have Oprah to blame for that.
I get excited when celebs turn around. That's a tough field to be standing in. But I think Paris shouldn't have the usuall Hollywood problems associated with being a believer - her livelyhood isn't dependent on working in Hollywood. Her press will for sure decline.
Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge another’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
Yeah, you're right. I guess they have proven to be 100% accurate over there.
Maybe Paris Hilton will find her way over there on the internet after her release and get a good dose of the truth.
THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
armininian
What's wrong with saying wine is grape juice? Isn't it?
Have you ever drank either?
Does the Bible say grape juice is a mocker?
I just don't see how saying that something that is squeezed out of grapes is grape juice qualifies as twisting scripture.
You can't twist God's word, by the way. It either is or it isn't. If AR truly believed that the wine in the bible was not fermented, then he would have been dishonest to say that it was.
I also understand how he arrived at that conclusion. How could a caring God approve of something that has sent so many people to early graves, torn apart so many families, and ruined so many lives?
I don't agree with him, but I respect his interpretation and his sincerity. If he had anything to gain by telling his congregation not to get drunk other than their genuine well-being, I might be suspicious. However, since I haven't heard that he owned stock in Welch's grape juice, I have no reason to get upset about it.
Cheers!
Check this out:
New BBC Open Forum said...
aslansown wrote:
"At 9:30 service Dr.Gaines said that no alchoholic beverage should even be sitting on the same tabel at which YOU are dining. HE said that it would disqualify one from Christian service."
For now I'm with "bepatient" on this one. I don't recall him saying that (the second part), at least not in the 9:30 service. He did mention something similar to the first part though. Specifically he asked what you'd think if you saw him and Donna sitting in a restaurant with glasses of wine on their table. Or what you'd think if you saw him out chowing down on a big, ol' hamburger and saw a beer on the table.
Isn't aslansown the one who 'found out' about the warehouse SG supposedly exorcised? Wonder if that came from the same source that told him about the disqualification from service remark?
Can't wait to hear the sermon! Give em enough rope...
I don't agree with him, but I respect his interpretation and his sincerity.
Here we go with the truth is a relative thing again.
How conveeeeeeennnniiiieeeennnntttt
You just said Scripture can't be twisted! Then you twist it!
When will we ever get back to the Bible being an absolute?
armininius
Someone from NBBCOF should do some research and see if SG owns stock in Welch's grape juice or just post a rumor that he does and let a troll research it!
WatchingHISstory said...
It can be an enormous burden separating perception from reality.
Sadly a lot of 'my' perceptions of Adrian Rogers' views are the result of his staunch and hard core supporters on NBBCOF.
If you really would like to know more about Pastor Rogers, just e-mail me. He was my pastor, my boss, and my friend.
For what it's worth, I would've taken a bullet for the man--and I don't use the expression lightly.
--Mike
Hi Bugsi.
Hope you're feeling very confident.
JUST SAYIN'. :)
Morning OC.
I must admit I'm feeling more confident than usual today. Not about anything in particular. Just the usual - the Lord has blessed me with being able to breath again today, my wife was still here, my children are doing well, I have a job, and I have great friends. But at 8am the work world will start attacking.
I'm thinking my confidence will surge and fall throughout the day but I think overall I'll make it. I know that when my confidence is a little high I can check NBBCnotOF and Mike's place and be quickly reminded that there are people out there with a lot more confidence than me. They really seem to know everything. I hope I'm not painting with too broad of a brush!?
How about you? are you feeling confident today?
Hey Bugsi,
Yeah, feeling great! Nice to hear from you, dear friend. I hope you had a very nice day.
And yes, thankyou. I'm feeling very confident, more confident than ever. Thanks for asking. That is quite 'sweet' of you. :) And I am also quite pleased that you were able to procure a wife and kids. Good job. Whatever that has to do with anything.
Oh, and yes. All of us on both blogs know that you know everything. We just don't like to admit it. Just sayin'.
Now OC...
Let us not clencheth.
OC...I enjoy our conversations now that we've moved past our issues. However I must take you to task for constantly leaving an "i" off of bugsii. You are intentionally twisting my good name(Or you're too lazy to hit "i" twice. In that case, bravo!).
I think I'll stay on this Islam thread since the other one has turned in to a conversation about George Bush and religion.
You know any fun blogs that talk about fun stuff like bad pastors and bowling? I know that sounds strange but that's just me!
OOOOHHH!!!!
I know one! I know one!!
Not so fast Arminius. I'm going to make it harder for you...the name of the blog has to totally contradict the site.
Oooooh...that'll fix your pride! There's no way you can find a website that is about bad pastors, bowling and the name totally contradicts the site's practices.
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